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  • Ashley June 1, 2010 at 6:33 pm

    This is soooo helpful! You broke it down of what to do so easily. My husband and I were like "Why can't they just say plainly what we need to do!" Very helpful!

    • admin June 2, 2010 at 3:06 am

      Hi Ashley, Glad to help…stay tuned as I'm awaiting the records that are to be sent to me. That ought to be interesting! And, like many folks out there, I start to think, gee, if they have my records going back to 2002, and they know I'm opting in and saying I want to submit my claim as part of option Group B, then why not just process my claim from there, send me a copy of the records for verification, and be done with it. But I guarantee you I'll have to transpose whatever records I receive onto the claim form and go from there…it's never easy. So as soon as I receive those records, I'll keep posting!

    • GLORIA January 14, 2011 at 3:00 pm

      I JUST GOT INTO THIS SITE…I HAVE MAILED OUT MY FORMS SINCE 9-28-2010 I TOO WAS A PROCASINATER….BUT GOT IT OFF ALREADY…SO WHEN DOES THIS SUIT START OR FINISH…WELL THEY LET ME KNOW I HAVE A DELIVERY CONF.#…HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING FROM THEM…TODAY'S DATE IS 1-14-2011…THANKS FOR ALL UR WORK…

      • Kelly Farris April 6, 2011 at 10:45 am

        I haven’t heard anything either, has anyone?

  • Eugene S June 2, 2010 at 6:40 am

    I think its great that you are willing to help us with this. Thanks

    • admin June 2, 2010 at 7:37 am

      Hi Eugene, Thanks–I appreciate your comment!

  • Scott June 4, 2010 at 4:28 pm

    Just sent my form in to get the records…hope they didn't "lose" any, because I'm not looking forward to digging through my papers.

    Informative post, by the way. I'll be watching to see how you come out. Good luck!

    • admin June 5, 2010 at 2:18 am

      Hi Scott, Thanks for your comment. Couldn't agree more! I have most of my records, but the thought of going line by line thru each statement of benefits that had been mailed to me over the years (& for multiple dependents) is not something I relish in. Stay tuned–we'll see how long this all takes…

  • Scott June 5, 2010 at 2:21 pm

    Question then…do you think I'd have to file separately for my wife and two dependents as they were on my policy? I notice it only asked for my social security number, and wonder if they'll only consider those medical claims filed by me.

    • admin June 7, 2010 at 4:53 am

      Hi Scott, Great question–you're keeping my on my toes! I've just posted an update based on your question. I have to say, it was a bit frustrating trying to get a clear answer on this, and I'm not one who likes to "wait and see"–but it looks like for part of this question that is what I'll have to do. In terms of whether you have to sumbit separate claims, (which I've also addressed in today's post), it does look like you're supposed to submit a separate claim for each members' Policy ID number–in addition to your own, assuming you have those numbers… Morer to come, but hope this helps and again, thanks for your question!

  • Tammy B June 6, 2010 at 1:54 am

    Great stuff..Like some of you may have done… I have misplace my forms and can't seem to find them. How do I get a new copy?
    Thanks for your hard work.

    • admin June 7, 2010 at 7:58 am

      Hi Tammy, If you're looking for your Explanation of Benefits forms, read in my post there about submitting a form to request at least your records from Jan 1 2002 to May 28, 2010; I'm assuming those are the "forms" you're referring to…

  • Angela June 11, 2010 at 8:29 am

    I mailed in the request form to the address specified: United Healthcare Class Action Litigation c/o Berdon Claims Amdministration LLC P.O. Box 15000 Jericho, NY 11853-001 and it was sent back to me. It said it was not deliverable as addressed and that it could not be forwarded. What is the correct address?

    • admin June 11, 2010 at 10:33 am

      Hi Angela, You pretty much have the right address–the ONLY thing that I have that differs from what you have here is that the zip code you have is 11853-001; the zip code I show is 11853-0001; there's an extra zero in that last number. Seems like the form should've still gotten to its destination, but I'm no US Postal Worker, so perhaps that's what the issue is and maybe you should try to resend it with this zip code. For what it's worth, I haven't received mine back yet as undeliverable, and I used the same address. Hope this helps and good luck!

  • Kristi O June 14, 2010 at 2:56 pm

    I contacted Berdon claims adm today 6-14-10. I had faxed them a request for information look up from united healthcare. They stated I will be mailed a report by month end June or early July indicating my options determined by their findings. In the meantime I am told to just wait as they are very backlogged. As I found out faxing is faster than mailing and it got through to the correct individual(s).

    • admin June 15, 2010 at 8:13 am

      Hi Kristi, Thanks for sharing this! I’m sure others will appreciate the tip to fax vs. snail mail the request for their UHC records (of course, I did snail mail and will just have to wait it out…); The folks at Berdon did say I’d have my records back in the same time frame though, so we’ll see. Thanks Kristi!

  • Kristi O June 15, 2010 at 2:45 pm

    I would recommend a quick phone call to Berdon claims to verify they did get your request for lookup. Then if not, one can still fax the request. Sorry I don’t trust the mail when it comes to important time deadline items.

    • admin June 15, 2010 at 10:13 am

      Thanks Kristi! I may well have to…

  • KathieT June 25, 2010 at 10:44 am

    There is now an Electronic Submission Process for the Authorization and Request for Claim Info. for Claim B on the berdonclaims site. A Confirmation # is provided after completion. It worked great.

  • Kathie T June 25, 2010 at 11:08 am

    Here is the language for the Electronic submission of the Request, "To make an electronic request for the information furnished to the Claims Administrator by Defendants regarding Covered Out-of-Network services and supplies received or provided from January 1, 2002 through May 28, 2010, please click here"

    This is found in the berdonclaims site, under the UHC Case, click Documents.

    • admin June 25, 2010 at 6:34 pm

      Hi Kathie, Thanks for the update!

  • Pam July 6, 2010 at 9:11 am

    I was a UHC subscriber at two separate times during the 3/15/94 thru 11/18/2009 time period. On page 1 of the claim form, which Insurance Policy ID Number do I use. The one I am currently subscribed under or the old one? I don’t need to complete two claim forms, do I? Thank you,

    • admin July 7, 2010 at 3:36 am

      Hi Pam, My guess is that you will need to submit both policy ID numbers, and perhaps on two separate claim forms. Your best bet is to call the claims administrator's number (which is in the above post) to find out how to handle this one.

  • Elaine July 8, 2010 at 3:38 pm

    This is in regards to dependents. I have 5 family members all with the same ID number and policy number. So I assume I file separate claims, but use the same numbers. I do have the plastic card. I have 10 years of claims to sort through and just submitted the electronic request for information. Hope this will be worth it.

    • admin July 8, 2010 at 3:44 pm

      Hi Elaine, Thanks for your comment–and yes, I believe you’re correct in your approach for filing–however, you may want to double-check at the 800 number listed in the post above. I’m still waiting for my “request for information” to show up in the mail…we’ll see…

  • Kristi O July 11, 2010 at 3:18 pm

    On about 7-1 I called Berdon claims to get update on status of review of my eob info. They had stated end of June or early July for return of report. Now with a stated 15 million claims out there no date is available except we will have it in time for our review and in time for us to file the certification to complete the claim.

    • admin July 11, 2010 at 3:25 pm

      Hi Kristi, I had received the same target dates for when I'd receive my info as well. I have to believe that we'll have the info in time for filing our claims–but thanks for sharing this because I'm sure many folks out there are checking their mailboxes each day and wondering where the info is…

  • Kristi O July 24, 2010 at 4:41 pm

    Has anyone begun getting their report from Berdon Claims admin. yet?

    • Kathy August 2, 2010 at 5:29 pm

      Just got mine today and I mailed it within 24 hours of getting the initial lawsuit letter.

  • frank m July 27, 2010 at 2:15 pm

    Are all you people ok with sending this group your social security number? Has anyone heard back from them after you've sent them this information? fm

  • Kathy August 2, 2010 at 5:28 pm

    I mailed my Claims Information Request Authorization Form and mailed it in within 24 hours of getting the lawsuit letter. I just now (8/2) got a letter saying they have no record of any out of network costs. So, my question is what to do next? I'm thinking of calling the hospital that had my husband in the ICU from August 8-11, 2002. I know for a fact that the initial neurologist that saw him in a coma was out of network as well as the ambulance. We paid the 20% out of network directly to the doctor and the ambulance company.

    • admin August 3, 2010 at 3:32 am

      Hi Kathy, In terms of your Out of Network charges from 2002, if you're certain you paid OON, you can try the hospital, but I'd also try the neurologist's office as well. Also, and I realize you may have already checked this, but if you still have your tax records (for those of us who keep the seven years' worth of tax history and then forget to toss on a rolling basis) you may have a record of it or the EOB tucked away if you itemized medical expenses.

  • Kathy August 3, 2010 at 5:38 am

    Thank you. I'm doing as you suggested. I also contacted United Healthcare and they said to send a signed letter requesting copies of the bills to United Healthcare, PO 740800, Atlanta, Georgia 30374.

  • Kathy August 3, 2010 at 5:41 am

    I should also mention that my husband made it out of the coma due to anaphylactic shock! He is alive and doing well! Total miracle according to everyone who has looked at the records. We are praising God.

    • admin August 4, 2010 at 7:05 am

      Hi Kathy–Good news! It's great to hear a "happy ending" in the midst of many stories that don't often turn out that way…all the best to you and your husband!

  • George M August 3, 2010 at 11:05 am

    OK, has anyone tried to fill out Class B form yet. I called Berdon and they gave me confusing info. I have read the Class Action papers, spoke to two people at Berdon and am absolutely confused since no one has given me the same answer twice and no one seems to have been given any direction.

    I received the response to my ms Information Request Authorization Form and urge you all to check it before just sending it in with documentation. If I go by what the two claims people at Berdon said, then some info was not included on these forms.

    • admin August 4, 2010 at 10:51 am

      Hi George, I have just received my information on out of network claims from UHC (I had mailed in the request for it) and am about to start the process of filling out the Class B form. However, I need to brush up on what's required first–but I will be posting about this as I go. Also, to your point, I can tell from just glancing at the list of services provided that it does not include everything–it lists about $1,500 in charges, but I know, given some of the related services that happened along with those I've received here, that all is not included on this list. So I've just yanked a huge file out of my file cabinet–yes, I have files going back almost a decade, and I'm about to sift through them all–a process I'm not looking forward to, but need to do as a cross-check with what UHC has sent me. So that's my latest and I will continue to update my progress–both in comments and in posts–as I continue along. But yes, I'll be in Class B…

  • George M August 5, 2010 at 4:05 am

    Thanks and look forward to your reply.

    I was going through the explanation yesterday in the documents and confirmed with a health industry friend that the definition of Allowed Amount in the document is the amount paid by the patient, less the amount that was reimbursed. That is typically not the definition of Allowed Amount but if they want to allow us to use it, so be it. It will result in a larger claim amount. My contact agreed with me on both items.

    Would apprecaite any/all thoughts.

    • admin August 5, 2010 at 5:33 am

      Hi George, Thanks for sharing this info! I did sort through the "first wave" of UHC EOBs last night–that was just to identify which claims fit into the class period (ie, years involved in this class action) and I separated out those that had out of network fees. Now, I have to go back and actually assess each line item and cross check it with the requested info UHC sent to me this week. Then on to filling out the claim form. It's moments like this that I'm glad the filing cutoff date is Oct. 5th…more to come…

      • JoAnne K August 6, 2010 at 8:10 am

        Ok-first off, congratulations on getting this far. You are my hereo!

        My claims are mostly for my late husband (Ed) who was covered under my policy. I can tell you that I never understood the "OON" rationale or policy while I was in the midst of our health crisis, let alone years later. Although I know I have every single piece of paper involved with our eight month ordeal, it dosen't seem at all helpful. Some of our bills were paid by credit card, some by check, many months later or as combined statements that don't seem to match up with the "Claims administrator" report I received upon request. Since my husband is now deceased, I can't access his credit card history. Can I just send these people ALL of my OON statements and payments and let them figure it all out? I would imagine that they will have to verify each item before paying and will disallow most of it anyway. What do you think will happen if I file a claim that way? What good is this opportunity to the elderly or disabled who can't handle the stress of this. Seems terribly unfair. Also dredging up bills and medical records of the worst time in your life hardly seems worth the money or the effort. Insurance companies can obviously screw you even while they are being penalized for screwing you!

        • admin August 6, 2010 at 10:04 am

          Hi JoAnne, Thanks for your comment! I feel your pain completely on many levels. First, I am also going through the challenge of trying to marry up the EOB's I have, to my records of payment, and then to the info UHC sent me. It's a challenge and I'm thinking the easiest thing will be to just list everything that came through as an OON charge from the EOBs. The only challenge then is that in a couple of instances, I had called to have charges re-processed as they had been incorrectly identified as OON when they weren't–but that did not happen too many times. (thankfully, I suppose)
          I can also relate to the aspect of this that you bring up that no one else really has yet: going through all these EOBs can be a trip down a memory lane that we don't necessarily want to go down. I know in my case, there are a number of things that are reflective of emergencies and life-threatening situations that took time for me to recover from and to go through this process does, unfortunately, bring it all back and you can't help but relive the emotion of it.
          I would not suggest that you send in all your paperwork–I am doubtful you'd find much help from the claims administrator with that approach, though I can understand your wanting to do so! Perhaps there is someone who can help you go through the paperwork? I realize it's very personal information, but it can be overwhelming and difficult to "connect the dots" between all the papers and forms. But my bet is that you will need to transpose all the information onto the claim form in order for your claim to be processed so that you can recover whatever you will from this mess. I hope there is someone who can help sift through it all with you… Good luck with it and let us know how you're making out.
          As an update on my own progress, rather than sitting down with it all again last night, which was my plan, I didn't even want to look at it. So now I'm looking at some time over the weekend…

    • Joe C September 15, 2010 at 1:53 pm

      Hi, My family also received the notice for the UHC out-of-network claims litigation. We have 5 years worth of claims to consider on two different plans during that time. I found this website, and I want to say the administrator and all the people participating are doing a great job here! Just so you know, I am a health insurance sales guy licensed in the product in several states–I have been selling health plans to employers for the last 20 years.

      First, I should let you know that I don't relish this any more than the rest of you. I am a sales guy after all, and not clerical or accounting type. However, in my career, I have worked for some time with and for the Japanese employers, and they are meticulous about completing paperwork and submitting forms, completing spreadsheets with details, and so on…so I may be well prepared for this task, even if I don't like it!

      Also, I wish to thank my spouse for saving the EOBs and most of the medical bills these past several years, although it might partly be due to the fact that insurance professionals know that saving every iota of detail is generally something we get use to. In other words, I think I asked my spouse not to throw away any medical records for at least seven years (partly for tax purposes)…but here is a good example of why it pays to try and keep those records as long as you can. You just never know, do you?

      Anyway, I read the comment about "Amount Allowed." In insurance parlance, that means the amount that the insurance company has contracted to allow as maximum charges in a network claim. However, in an out-of-network (OON) situation, the amount allowed pertains to the maximum "reasonable amount" that the insurance company allows for an OON claim. When dealing with an in-network claim, this should never be a problem for the member, as the member is NEVER supposed to be balance-billed beyond this amount. It is a contractual agreement between the insurance company and the medical provider.

      …And this is the crux of the matter, right here! It was UHC's database for OON claims that was considered to be arbitrarily and capriciously "out of whack" with what other insurance company databases were considering as "reasonable and customary" charges. (Yes, I recognize that UHC admits no wrong-doing in this settlement.)

      This leads to an important question regarding the claim procedure for this litigation. To simply file a copy of an Explanation of Benefits Statement (EOB) may not be sufficient evidence to make a claim. The reason is that a person very often ends up paying the OON provider a balance-billed amount OVER AND ABOVE what the insurance company allowed. The key question here, in my mind, is what amount did the person end up paying (or at least was billed) by the OON provider. To get even more complex here, sometimes, a skillful negotiator can work out a lower price for final payment with an OON provider, and the insurance company may not know about it.

      Yet, this raises another question in my mind: Does Berdon (BCA) really compare what was billed and what was allowed? Or, could it be that in the settlement, UHC has agreed to use a competitor's schedule (allowed amount schedule of maximum charges from another actuarial firm such as Milliman) to compare against the UHC table of maximum allowable charges? If so, then the amount allowed for reimbursement to many claimants(though not all) could be much smaller, especially after coinsurance or co-pays are subtracted out. Just thinking here…I plan to keep following this thread and will submit other thoughts as I deem appropriate.

      • admin September 16, 2010 at 9:10 am

        Hi Joe, Thanks–truly–for your comments! It’s great to have your perspective given your work and experience. In regard to your question about what patients paid to their providers above the allowed amounts as determined by UHC. If you read through the Notice of Proposed Settlement info–head over to about page 4–you’ll see that for Group B claimants–ie, those that have all their EOB and proof of payment info and paid their OON providers an amount over the UHC allowed amount–that the amount you paid over the allowed amount will serve as the basis for your recognized loss–and what you paid over the allowed amount will be considered at 100%, minus “20% per
        claim, up to a total of $2,000 over all of your claims, to take into account the co-payments, co-insurance, or deductibles you would ordinarily owe
        under your healthcare plan.”
        Now, just for kicks, as I am wont to do, I called Berdon about this. I spoke with a lovely rep who fumbled a bit with her words until she clearly got the script she was supposed to be reading from. She basically read me what I’ve stated above, so I pressed her further. See, the amount you may have paid over the allowed amount to your provider is the BASIS for what you’ll get as a settlement payout–not the payout itself. So I asked her how the settlement amount will be determined–what’s the formula? Her response–and I have to say, God bless these call center folks because I’m sure they’re getting hammered left and right with all kinds of questions–but she said, “Well,….let’s see….” and then directed me to look at page 4 for a “plan of allocation”. Thank you very much.
        Ok, I let her off the hook then as I could hear the tone of her voice veering into that “mercy–please have mercy!” area. Here’s what page 4 says regarding how settlement amounts will be paid once you’ve submitted the details showing the difference between what UHC deemed as allowable amounts and what you actually paid to your provider:
        “The Net Settlement Fund will be allocated to members of the Settlement Class based on the Recognized Loss of each member of the
        Settlement Class as determined below. Should the amount of all submitted claims be less than or equal to the Net Settlement Fund, all claimants
        shall receive their full Recognized Loss. Should the amount of all submitted claims be greater than the Net Settlement Fund, claimants shall receive
        a percentage of their Recognized Loss based on a pro rata allocation.”
        So, as with all class action settlements, one of the determining factors is how many claimants submit claims and the $$ amount of those claims–and from what I can tell, that may be the only “plan of allocation” in play here.
        Long story short, it appears that if you file a Group B claim and have all your documentation (and kudos to your wife here) then, if the amount of all claims submitted is less than or equal to the net settlement amount (which btw is $350,000,000 less attorney fees etc) you could receive the full amount of your recognized loss, which appears to be the difference between what UHC deemed as the allowed amount, and what you paid your provider. Of course, don’t be holding out for that amount…chances are the total amount of all claims will exceed the net settlement amount….

  • Kristi O August 9, 2010 at 11:13 am

    Are you saying we may receive more than one report of eobs from Bergon?

    • admin August 10, 2010 at 3:03 am

      Hi Kristi, No–what I'm saying is that I am now in the process of cross-checking my own file of EOBs against the information sent by Berdon/UHC; unfortunately, while it would be great if everything were on the info that Berdon/UHC sent to us upon request, however, it doesn't appear to be for some of us. So I'm left digging through my file of EOBs to complete the claim form.

  • Debra G August 16, 2010 at 1:03 pm

    Do you know if I'm able to file a claim on behalf of my daughter who was on the policy for several years? She's 19 now, or can she file another claim on her own?

    What about an ex-husband that was on my sister's policy, can she file for the compensation?

    Both would be Group A filings.

    Thanks.

    • admin August 17, 2010 at 5:10 am

      Hi Debra, In terms of your daughter, for the time period in which she was on your policy, her out of network charges should be on your policy ID number–I know that was the case with minors on my policy. It's probably best to contact the claims administrator directly regarding your sister's ex-husband–that may not be quite as straightforward.

  • Tim M August 20, 2010 at 9:01 am

    Does anyone know if OON dental care counts?

  • Karen D August 22, 2010 at 2:22 pm

    What about the out of pocket payment of deductibles? I had a $3k deductible for out of network, and surpassed this over a couple of years period…Do I submit the EOBs and payment proof for the bills that constituted my deductible also? Since the settlement says they are subtracting 20% for deductibles and copayments, presumably they are reimbursing us for deductibles and copayments, so long as they are the 'allowed' amounts for 'covered' out of network services, right? Or do I just ignore submitting documentations for bills that constituted my 3k deductible/out of network for the year? Thanks for your advice, Karend

    • admin August 23, 2010 at 5:16 am

      Hi Karen, I'd include all charges that were applied to your deductible–they too had to be assessed based on UHC's OON calculation–even though they are considered toward your deductible vs. your "out of pocket". If you want further clarification, you can always contact the claims administrator, but I'm including all my deductible info.

      • Karen D August 25, 2010 at 4:58 pm

        Interesting…I received info back from my claim info request to Berdon for one of my policies (I had two from different employers/periods) and the one that I received back had NO info on my deductibles included…they also omitted a couple of things I happened to have info/EOBs for. Is this accidental because they are dealing with such volumes? Or does it mean those things don't qualify? I guess I'm wondering how much stock I should put in what they, apparently, tell me are the extent of my claims.

        • admin August 26, 2010 at 3:16 am

          Hi Karen, I did not receive any deductible info on the claim info that came from Berdon either; unfortunately it appears that you may need to have one of your original EOBs (or other insurance documentation) in order to have what your deductible levels were. That's how I determined mine. Also, a number of us have found that information sent to you may not have all the claims that were submitted for (or by) you–I know I am sifting through old EOBs–which I realize many folks may not have saved over the years–to cross-check the information. If you don't have any of your EOBs, the info Berdon sent may be your best, and only, bet. I can't say why some of the information may be missing from what Berdon sent, but I can say that a number of us have found some discrepancies–or missing info in what's been sent to us.

        • Joe C September 15, 2010 at 2:43 pm

          This may explain why the settlement allows an automatic 20% deduction for deductibles. It may be that a lot of the files that Berdon has are not coded with deductible reimbursements, so the settlment may allow a straight-forward 20% for those who cannot prove what the deductible was?

  • Gayle C August 23, 2010 at 2:56 am

    I have received back my forms from UHC and want to do class B claim. I had cancer /chemo treatment OON and have many pages of large amounts. If Allowed Amount amount is as stated above, amount paid by patient less reimbursement, then is that what we are eligible for as class B claimant? I've got my EOB's for this time period, but not sure what to do from here.

    • admin August 23, 2010 at 5:29 am

      Hi Gayle, Wouldn't it be nice if every form had the same language so there'd be no chance of misintrepretation or screw up? But alas, it is not so. The Allowed Amount is the amount that UHC agreed to cover/pay for your care. Now, on my EOBs, that amount is called "Amount Allowed" in some instances, and in others, it's called "Cost of Care" (sounds like a euphemism, no?). From there, depending on your plan, UHC may have paid the full "amount allowed" or a percentage of it, or none of it –in the instance of it being either not covered or part of your deductible. So to go column by column on Class Group B form, the Original Bill Amount is what you were initially charged; The Allowed Amount is what UHC said the service really cost (the "agreed upon" amount); The Adjusted Bill Date comes from your provided–not the EOB–it's the date of the invoice you received from your healthcare provider (doctor, lab, etc); The Adjusted Bill Amount is what the provider charged you as the remainder due once UHC had processed the bill; and Paid Portion of Adjusted Bill is what you actually paid to the provider. Now, in my case, I don't have every bill from the providers–but I do have the EOBs–so that is the info I will use for most every column. It is not all the documentation being asked for, but one can only provide what one actually has…so we'll see how it goes…Don't forget too, if you have further questions, you can always contact the claims administrator (Berdon–their phone number is in the above post and on your claim form (notice of proposed settlement))

      • Joe C September 15, 2010 at 2:52 pm

        I have before me the original mailer and I am looking at page 11 in the bottom paragraph. It says: "You are eligible to participate as a Group B claimant only if you paid out-of-pocket to your OON provider an amount above the Allowed Amount for Covered OON Services or Supplies…."

        Notice that they put the word ONLY in italics to reinforce that ONLY payments that exceeded the Allowed Amount (i.e., the maximum allowed by UHC) will be considered.

        This is KEY!!! If most or all of your out of network charges/payments did not exceed the allowed amount, then you may have little or no claim. If this is the case, then a person might be better off filing as a Group A member. Now, in the case of a person with cancer/chemo, there may be a substantial amount to claim…but I am putting this out there for others like myself who have a number of OON claims, but no real biggies over the years. Something to think about!

        • admin September 16, 2010 at 4:13 am

          Bingo! Yes, anyone filing a claim needs to assess whether they are better off filing as a Group A claimant or a Group B or C; of course, if the aggravation of filing as a Group B or C is a factor, Group A also becomes the more enticing option. But for those of you out there who have substantial claims and have the proof/documentation, this is money that is owed to you, so do try to take the time to fill out the appropriate claim forms…

        • Joe C September 16, 2010 at 8:48 am

          I found one other comment buried in the claims explanations…if the allowed amount shows $0.00, then there is NO claim under this settlement. The reason being is that in such cases, the claim was denied for other reasons, such as being outside of the covered plan of benefits or for improper medical coding. In any case, if someone paid a medical provider for hundreds or thousands of dollars in a situation where the allowed amount from UHC is zero, they shouldn't expect a reimbursement in this settlement…there has to be a number other than zero in the allowed amount section of the EOB to have a valid claim, in my humble opinion.

          • admin September 16, 2010 at 2:06 pm

            Hi Joe, I’m hoping in those cases–ie, those where a claim may have been denied and showing a zero allowable amount for reasons other than a reasonable and customary determination–that folks requested their claims at the time to be reprocessed by UHC–and that they then ideally saw that “zero” changed to reflect an actual allowable amount. Otherwise, I’m betting you’re right…

  • Gayle C August 23, 2010 at 8:01 am

    Thanks much. This definition of Allowed Amount makes more sense. I did just talk to a claims administrator and she said after filling in Group B form all the they want is the matching proof of payment – credit card statements, canceled checks etc. Is this your understanding? But aren't they expecting the provider bill as well?

    In my case, I have 4 pages from the claim administrator with the original bill amount column and the allowed amount filled in. Can we work off of this form, or do we need to transfer this info to new form?

    Also – just FYI for everyone – my husband didn't have many OON claims and they tell me that he can't file under Group A and me under Group B. And – the claim admin also said if Claim B is denied, it will automatically be converted to Group A.

    • admin August 23, 2010 at 8:25 am

      Hi Gayle, Thanks for the update–and also for the important tip on Group B filings being converted to Group A if denied as Group B;
      If I go by the instructions on the UHC settlement claim form (ie, the notice of proposed settlement) then they'd like you to include any invoices from providers and EOBs as well, in addition to the cancelled checks, credit card statements or whatever proof that you paid the provider. Personally, I think they should've just required EOBs–after all, that's the beef–how they calculated OON charges–not whether you paid the providers or not. But that's my little beef with this process.
      Finally, it's my understanding that you need to transfer the information to the claim form–they state there are additional forms available at the claims adminstrator's website if you need more space… Indeed, nothing is ever easy, but with the amount of settlement $$ some folks might be due with this one, it's probably worth it to fill out the paperwork as best as possible.

  • Gayle C August 23, 2010 at 1:37 pm

    I agree that just requiring the EOB's seems to fit the crime – why burden us with proof of payment. Oh well . . .

    Very glad to find this discussion and will check in often. Thanks for getting this going.

  • B Crespo August 24, 2010 at 4:03 pm

    I am late

    Does anyone think the date will be extened

    • admin August 25, 2010 at 4:20 am

      Hi B, No, the date to submit your claim is set and I wouldn't expect any extension on it!

  • Cindy A August 28, 2010 at 12:00 pm

    I received one of these forms a couple months ago and I have no idea why or what insurance I had, and have no records to look at.

    I was going to send in the "GROUP A: Simplified Claim Form for Subscribers" and answer the questions to the best of my ability (guessing) and include my social security number. I was advised to do it this way by a Berdon representative by email.

    Any other suggestions? I figure if they have my name then I must have something coming although I don't have alot of hope for it.

    What about sending in my social security number? I don't like to do that, especially if I didn't initiate this whole thing. I looked online and doesn't appear to be a scam…

    Thank you for whatever suggestions/insight you can give me because right now, I'm pretty clueless and just want to get it in the mail and be done with it.

    • admin August 30, 2010 at 6:40 am

      Hi Cindy, First off, the United Healthcare out of network lawsuit settlement is not a scam. You may want to try to request some of your information from Berdon/UHC, but you'll definitely need to submit your social security number in order to do so. I'm also not sure just how much you'll really get back or how long it will take–remember, there is an October deadline for submitting a claim and it's a fair amount of work if you file an "itemized" claim (my term, not theirs). Your best bet may be to file under Group A as the representative at Berdon suggested.

  • Dorothy August 29, 2010 at 1:48 pm

    Hi guys,

    I just picked up the pamphlet today to go over it after I'd seen it sitting on my table for months…am glad I started now! I have a question about a surgery I had done back in 2008. The doctor billed the insurance, insurance covered part of it, and then the doctor billed me for the rest–but also gave me a discount "balance waived" since we had agreed upon my out-of-pocket costs prior to the surgery given that I was a poor student.

    Looking over Groups B and C, it seems like I fit Group B more, since I did actually pay everything that my provider asked me to pay. But, when I fill out the form, the "paid portion of adjusted bill" confuses me–should I put what I actually paid, and have it be discrepant from the "adjusted bill amount" so it looks like I actually didn't pay what I was supposed to (looking more like Group C)? Or, should I just say I paid 100% of the adjusted bill amount since I really did pay everything I was supposed to?

    Thanks to anyone who has insight on this!! Am really hoping my claim won't get denied and pushed down to a Group A….it's thousands of dollars of difference for me, as I'm sure it is for many of you.

    • admin August 30, 2010 at 6:31 am

      Hi Dorothy, To answer your question, which is a bit of a tough one, I have to go back to what the lawsuit is about: the way in which UHC calculated OON charges. Having said that, in my estimation, what you ultimately paid your doctor is a separate issue–basically, your doctor took a "hit" for you–which has nothing to do with how UHC calculated your bill–that's a deal you struck with your doctor. Of course, if UHC had generously agreed to pay 100% of your OON charges, you'd have owed your doctor nothing. But that was not the case. If it were my claim form to fill out, I'd be putting down the amount that UHC said I owed, not the amount of the deal I struck w/my provider. If you'd like to further clarify this, feel free to call the claims administrator for advice on this, but be prepared for an answer that may potentially work out to be less in your favor.

  • Brian August 31, 2010 at 6:28 am

    Hi Folks,

    As a Group B claimant, I see that the last column of Berndon's chart reads "Paid Portion of Adjusted Bill excluding copayment and deductible". If they ask me NOT to include those amounts from the start, why should they need to "subtract 20% per claim…to take into account the co-payments, co-insurance, or deductibles…" as they say on p. 5 of the Notice? Doesn't that effectively exclude the deductibles and co-pays twice?

    • George M September 6, 2010 at 9:00 am

      I spoke with the claims administrator several times. They told me each time that the amount that should be put in there is the amount you(I) actyallu paid out of pocket. So if they allowed $100 on a $125 claim the amount I put in there is $125. If they paid $60 of the $125 claim, then I am to put $65 in there. They will then deduct the 20% up to $2000. I agree it does not seem to make sense but that's what I was told now several times

  • Cindy A September 2, 2010 at 11:25 am

    Thanks so much for your reply.

    This is so interesting because on my table here are 3 different class action lawsuits going on right now that I and my husband have received in the mail – PBHG, Strong, and United Health Care.

    I was told by another attorney that the settlements are rewards for the lawyers – that if we do all this work to dig up our old records, they'll send us 75 cents and the lawyers will be the ones most often who profit. Perhaps in a down economy, the lawyers are using this as a way to generate some income. Quite creative, actually, but it's still annoying having to deal with this stuff.

    Thank you.

    • George M September 6, 2010 at 8:56 am

      This one could actually generate a return to other than the lawyers

      • Joe C September 15, 2010 at 3:04 pm

        Yes, the comment is a little off base for this one! The lawsuit was started by physicians (through the AMA, I believe), and not by lawyers. If she does nothing else, she should file for Group A. You get 50 bucks for each year you were covered under UHC's plans. For example, my family was covered for 5 years under UHC during the claim period…that's 250 bucks for me I would not otherwise have expected. That's not exactly 75 cents!

        • admin September 16, 2010 at 4:14 am

          Agreed!

  • Tara B September 4, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    OKAY…I have to find my PROOF OF PAYMENT from over eight years ago??

    I'm lucky to have found the EOBs…

    Can someone tell me how to find the form needed to actually file a Group B claim. The website seems very broad and I don't even know what to search for in the search box.

    THANKS.

    • George M September 6, 2010 at 8:53 am

      If you paid by check, your bank should be able to provide proof of payment i.e. cancelled check.

      • Tara September 7, 2010 at 2:45 am

        My husband paid with either cash or a credit card. I think I'll call up the doctor's office today and see if they might have anything to use for proof.

        Thanks for your reply.

        • George M September 7, 2010 at 8:16 am

          If you used a credit card, you can also call your credit card company they should be able to provide proof of the charge.

  • Tara B September 4, 2010 at 1:47 pm

    Never mind…I found your link up at the top. Thank you!

    Anyway, today I received a second notice about my possible claim. (I had received one earlier that said I was not eligible..This one supersedes it!) This one has a rather disconcerting paragraph:

    "You may choose to file your claim based SOLELY ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED in this report. TO RECOVER FOR CLAIMS IN ADDITION TO THOSE INCLUDE IN THIS REPORT, YOU MUST PROVIDE THE CLAIMS ADMINISTRATOR WITH ALL REQUIRED INFORMATION REGARDING THE HC SERVICES RELEVANT TO YOUR CLAIM."

    Of course, I found thousands of more dollars' worth of claims. But it's nice to know that THIS little $300 one won't need any more proof. LOL

    I don't get why this is the only one that showed up for them. Interesting…

  • Tara September 4, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    One more question: Has anyone had any luck getting copies of billing statements from their providers? I really don't think I'm going to be able to find those old credit card statements.

    Ay-yay-yay.

    • George M September 6, 2010 at 8:54 am

      In NJ they are required to retain them for I believe six years. On the credit card statements, check with the credit card company.

  • Gary September 6, 2010 at 6:44 am

    Many thanks for all the useful information posted on this blog. It's helped make things a lot clearer. As I spend my Labor Day laboring over this form, I have a question about the settlement itself (somewhat off-topic, I know):

    In many cases, United Healthcare is simply an administrator for the insurance plan. A large employer will contract with them to administer things like paying claims, but the actual money to pay the claims comes directly from the employer, not from UHC. In these cases, if UHC sets an "allowed amount" that is too low, the employer, not UHC benefits by paying less on the claim. Is all of the settlement money coming from UHC, or are they asking these large employers to contribute towards the settlement?

    • George M September 7, 2010 at 5:48 am

      I was told the settlement only applied to claims where UNC and the other companies were the insurer; it did not apply where they just administrered the claims.

      • Lynn C September 7, 2010 at 1:33 pm

        In my case, my "large employer" was named in the class, as was MetLife which administers my dental plan. So, I'll again ask the question asked months ago..does this also apply to dental?

        • admin September 7, 2010 at 2:07 pm

          Hi Lynn, It is my understanding that this is for medical claims only, however, do contact the claims administrator directly (Berdon) for the ultimate definitive answer on that; their number is on your notice of proposed settlement and also in the above post;

      • Gary September 7, 2010 at 2:33 pm

        I don't think it's correct that the settlement does not apply to claims where United Healthcare just administered the claims. On the front page of the "Notice of Proposed Settlement of Class Action and Final Settlement Hearing" that we were sent, it defines a Subscriber as "a member of a healthcare plan insured OR ADMINISTERED by a Defendant…" Furthermore, "Defendants are United HealthCare Corporation (now known as UnitedHealth Group), Ingenix, Inc., Metropolitan Life Insurance Company, American Airlines, Inc., and their subsidiaries and affiliates." So my question remains: are large employers contributing to the settlement?

        • admin September 8, 2010 at 3:47 am

          Hi Gary, I can't answer your question for certain and I'm not sure Berdon could clearly answer it either. In order to find that out, you'd ordinarily need to read through all the case documents (available on the claims administrator's website)–sometimes you find in the settlement documents what each defendant's contribution is–e.g., the percentage of the settlement amount they are responsible for. In this instance, while I haven't reviewed all the documents relating to the case–and keep in mind, the litigation for this case has been going on for a decade–I have read through a number of the documents and haven't come across what the other defendants (ie, other than UHG or UHC) contribution is–other than some of the changes regarding how the Ingenix database is managed/utilized and the establishment of a healthcare information transparency website, etc… What you may want to do, should you wish to dig further into this, is to try to contact the lead class counsel–their contact info is listed in every document related to the case so you should have that ; they may be able to provide a better answer…

        • Joe C September 15, 2010 at 3:13 pm

          In the case of where UHC simply administered the plan for a large employer, this is known as Administrative Services Only (ASO-which means self-insured). In this case, the ASO plan still has administrative language from UHC that it "sells" to the employer. Both UHC and the employer are technically bound by the language of how to handle a OON claim. Now, it gets sticky from here: UHC could technically file for reimbursement from the employer for any claims it pays out under this settlement. However, my belief is that they will not do this. Rather, UHC will either eat the charges itself (because they were the ones who sold the database information to the employers as being valid)….or perhaps UHC can collect under some sort of reinsurance policy itself for adjustments in a settlement with ASO clients? Regardless, for Gary, it should not matter. He is entitled to part of the settlement if he is a member of the class action group, and it should not matter whether his employer was an ASO client.

          • admin September 16, 2010 at 4:15 am

            Thanks for this insight, Joe!

  • Lynn C September 7, 2010 at 9:48 am

    How does "above reasonable and customary" fit into all of this? Are the charges labeled that way because the provider is OON? Do I submit those claims?

    • admin September 8, 2010 at 2:32 am

      Hi Lynn, Your claim should include all OON provider claims–any time you used an out of network provider for a claim processed by UHC during the class period of this lawsuit, you should be submitting those claims

  • Joyce S September 7, 2010 at 12:48 pm

    Anyone having an issue with the fact that the subscriber to whom the class action notice was sent is now deceased? My dad was the United Healthcare subscriber from 2002 until he passed in 2008. My mother was also covered under this plan and she too passed in 2008 (mom pre-deceased dad). I am the executrix of Dad's estate and after probating his will, I closed his estate in 2009. I received the class action notice only because I have had the post office forward dad's mail to my address. In order to stay involved on behalf of Dad in this matter, I think I need to have my name linked to his as Joyce, Executrix of the Estate of Dad. I don't care about any distribution (if there is one) but I feel I owe it to dad to follow this through. He had cancer and as sick as he was, he faithfully wrote checks for all medical services for which he was billed because he (like all other United Healthcare subscribers), believed that United Healthcare was acting in good faith when they excluded treatments/services for payment. I called Berdon and no one seemed to understand my questions. I finally spoke with a supervisor who admitted he didn't understand but claimed he would forward my question to someone who might. Any other suggestions?

    On another note, I requested copies of Dad's EOBs from Berdon and received a statement containing all of 3 claims. Three claims? Dad was treated for cancer over 18 months and mom was in Intensive Care for two weeks with a massive heart attack and subsequent intestinal infection that resulted in sepsis. Unfortunately, I shredded all the EOBs dad and mom received when I was closing the estate. But I know for a fact that the stack of EOBs was at least 2 inches high and over 100 pages. I am convinced that United Healthcare has failed to provide full disclosure to Berdon. Has anyone else received data from Berdon that obviously is missing information?

    • admin September 7, 2010 at 2:05 pm

      Hi Joyce, Thanks for sharing your question–I'm sure there are others who are in a similar position, acting as executor or executrix of a loved one's estate that may be affected by the UHC settlement. I'm not sure what Berdon did not understand–your question is pretty straightforward and a fairly common one for anyone who's been through settling an estate–but my guess is that you should be able to file a claim on your father's behalf. Someone at Berdon should be able to answer this question in a reasonable enough manner for you to proceed. I would try to contact them again and try to speak–again–with a supervisor or manager to just ensure that there is no additional information they require etc–but failing that, my guess is that you're left to go ahead and submit the claim with whatever information you're able to locate. Speaking of information, you are not alone in finding a limited amount of claims on the statement from Berdon. A number of readers have commented in similar fashion and I, myself, have received a statement from Berdon that only has a few of my claims that were OON for that time period. Fortunately I do have copies of a number of EOBs from that time, so I can at least compare the two and discern what discrepancies there are. Unfortunately, it appears that unless you have some personal records, it may be a challenge to get a complete listing of OON claims from Berdon/UHC.

      • Char C September 8, 2010 at 6:51 pm

        I received a claims list that was only one page with 6 months of information, went thru all my eobs, typed up over 5 years of missing information, mailed in the data to Berdon. This past Tuesday, I received a second updated claims list from Berdon, that is 7 pages long. Now I have to review everything all over again to see if this 7 page claims list matches all the work I went thru the first time.

    • Liz September 22, 2010 at 7:58 am

      Without a doubt, Joyce, info is missing. I've been on disability since 1997, had 3 surgeries in 2009 and have seen plenty doctors in between. My "report" came back with 1 visit.What a JOKE!!!!! When I spoke with Berdon rep I was told thats all they were provided with, sorry. I hope nobody re-signs up with these …….

  • Tara September 8, 2010 at 3:26 am

    If I am unable to provide further documentation, should I just send in the EOBs? I realize that they are requiring BOTH the EOBs AND proof. I suspect that without all the required information, they will just throw away my claim.

    • admin September 9, 2010 at 3:16 pm

      Hi Tara, They definitely are requesting all the proof of payment information–but this is one of those “can’t hurt to try” situations so I’d send in whatever you’ve got…

  • robert September 8, 2010 at 10:23 am

    How long did it take for Berdon to respond to your "Information Request Authorization Form" I have sent a request 3 times, 1 by fax, 1 by email, 1 via their website and have received no reponse so far. I tried this in June, July and then August.

    This is very frustrating.

    • admin September 9, 2010 at 10:15 am

      Hi Robert, I think it's varied for everyone; I received mine about two months after I sent in the request–and I only sent it in by snail mail (aka, us postal service)–not by the methods you've used; perhaps some other readers have sent in a request for UHC EOB info via fax, email or the website and can share their experience as well…

  • Joe September 14, 2010 at 3:29 am

    Thanks this is very helpful. Do you know what are acceptable documents to show that you've paid doctors. Ie can you send in a statement from the doctor that all charges have been paid..or copies of credit card statemnet showing payments to doctors

    • admin September 14, 2010 at 6:17 am

      Hi Joe, I believe the documents you mention would be acceptable–anything that indicates receipt of, or proof of, payment…(and you're lucky you have them–many readers, myself included are hard-pressed to find them!)

      • Joe September 18, 2010 at 3:03 am

        Thanks..one other quick question…i finally received a form from the administrator showing eligible cliams..it seems to have a lot of duplicates and is missing many out of network claims…are only certain services covered in this settlement? also, i'm thinking of not using the form they sent me but filling out a new form with all out of network claims that I can support. If I choose not to use the Administrators form and send in my own form should I still refer to the 'Initial Claim Number' that was on the form the Claims Adminstrator sent me?

        • admin September 20, 2010 at 7:58 am

          Hi Joe, It’s possible–and I can’t be 100% sure–but you may be seeing duplicates as a result of a claim being resubmitted/reprocessed at the time of service. Like I say, can’t be totally certain, but that’s my guess without knowing much more about your situation. In terms of missing claims, yes, a number of readers (myself included) have had missing claims from the information sent to us. I was initially going to file as a Group B, and yes, I would fill out a new claim form vs the one with the info on it that they sent (note, I’m missing some of my proof of payment documentation, and as a result, may submit as a Group A now). You can start filling out the form that was sent to subscribers initially (ie, in the Notice of Proposed Settlement) and then, should you need more spaces, the claims administrator directs you to Berdon’s website where you should be able to access additional forms. By the way, to answer your question regarding whether only certain types of claims are covered, no, all your medical claims should be covered in this class action–so doctor/practitioner claims, lab services, out patient surgery facilities…etc… In terms of the Initial Claim Number, I would think that yes, you should include it on the claim; however, to be certain, you may want to give Berdon (the claims administrator) a call.

  • William E September 18, 2010 at 9:33 am

    My United Health Care plan is not an HMO or PPO type. So I have two questions: (1) How could I have an OON expense?, and (2) Why did UHC send me the class action notice with enclosed claim form(s)?

    • admin September 20, 2010 at 8:02 am

      Hi William, If I’m understanding your question, it doesn’t matter that you’re not in an HMO or PPO plan. All medical insurance plans contract with medical providers as either “in network” or “out of network”–and your policy benefits should clearly state what percentage of provider services will be covered by the plan, based on whether that provider is either in network or out of network. Which then sort of leads us to the answer to your second question: you most likely received the class action notice about the UHC settlement because you were a plan member at some time during the class period of this lawsuit (ie, the time period that the lawsuit covers).

  • David September 18, 2010 at 7:04 pm

    Has anyone paid the provider the full amount of his (or her) charges, then filed a claim with UHC directly and been reimbursed by UHC? I am confused as to whether and how this affects a subscriber’s ability to file a claim under this settlement.

    The form asks for information regarding the “adjusted bill.” According to the Notice of Settlement, "‘Adjusted Bill’ means a bill sent by a Provider to a Subscriber reflecting the unpaid portion of the amount initially billed by a Provider for Covered OON Services or Supplies.”

    I had one out-of-network provider during the six years I was covered by UHC, but I saw him almost monthly during that time. For about the first three years, his billing service billed UHC after each visit and then I paid him the balance once UHC paid him. UHC regularly refused to pay at all; then I would argue with them and after a letter and at least two phone calls from me, UHC would eventually agree to pay. (I went through this for each and every claim).

    My provider’s billing service was monstrously disorganized — sometimes they’d wait months and then submit six or seven claims to UHC at once; or they would often submit multiple claims for one office visit. This made it even more confusing to argue with UHC about denied claims (trying to explain to them which claims were legitimately denied as duplicate claims, versus those that were illegitimately denied as “non-covered services,” etc.).

    So after about three years, I started paying my provider the full amount of his charge at each visit, and then I would submit the claim to UHC (and they would reimburse me directly). This allowed me to have more control over my inevitable arguments with UHC.

    The amounts involved were identical under both arrangements—i.e., his office visit charge was the same, the amount that UHC paid was the same, and my out-of-pocket costs were the same.

    I have a statement (a multi-page print-out) from the provider’s billing service showing each visit, the amount charged, and the amounts paid by UHC and by me. At one point, of course, it no longer shows any amount paid by UHC (since I was paying the provider the full amount and then billing UHC myself), but for those visits, it showed that I paid the full amount to the provider. So it doesn’t include what UHC paid for those visits—but my EOBs show that.

    But it does mean that, strictly speaking, I don’t have an “adjusted bill” (i.e., “a bill sent by a Provider to a Subscriber reflecting the unpaid portion of the amount initially billed by a Provider for Covered OON Services or Supplies").

    So…has anyone else paid the provider the full amount and filed a reimbursement claim with UHC yourself? I am just wondering if this makes any difference, either in my ability to claim my OOP costs for those visits (it shouldn’t) under this settlement, or in how I complete the form…

    I suppose I can include a note clarifying that I paid the provider the full amount, etc., (hopefully, a note that is briefer than this posting), but I figure the less extraneous material or notations I submit with my claim form, the better.

    • admin September 20, 2010 at 3:19 am

      Hi David, I so feel your pain on this one! You deserve an award of some type for the hassle you've gone through each month–good health/medical care should not be that much of a pain in the you-know-what, but as many of us have come to realize, the system's messed up. Be that as it may, I believe that regardless of how you submitted your claims (ie, via your provider, or via yourself) your claims would equally qualify, so long as you submit the info–after all, UHC still made a determination on how much they would cover in either situation, and you received the same benefit regardless of how you submitted your claims.
      I also went back to the notice of proposed settlement as I recalled reading about this very issue. Here's what it says on page 4:

      If you are a Subscriber and either paid out-of-pocket for Covered OON Services or Supplies or did not assign your benefit payments to a
      Provider, payments from the Net Settlement Fund will be made directly to you. If you are a Subscriber and assigned benefit payments to a Provider
      and this Provider submits a valid claim, payments from the Net Settlement Fund will be made to the Provider. If you are a Provider with an
      assignment but do not submit a claim, but the Subscriber does, payment from the Net Settlement Fund will be made to the Subscriber. Therefore,
      Subscribers may wish to submit claims whether or not they assigned benefit payments to a Provider.

      If a Subscriber owes a Provider money for Covered OON Services or Supplies and the Subscriber receives proceeds from the Net Settlement
      Fund for such Covered Out-of-Network Services or Supplies, the Subscriber may owe these funds to the Provider. Providers may request
      information from the Claims Administrator as to whether Subscribers who owe them money for Covered OON Services or Supplies have
      made claims for payments from the Net Settlement Fund by checking the applicable box on the bottom of page 14 of the Claim Form. Requests
      for such information will be processed at the time distribution of the Net Settlement Fund is made.

      A Subscriber who elects to make a Group A claim may not elect to be included in any other group. However, if a Subscriber paid a portion
      (but not all) of an Adjusted Bill and continues to owe monies to a Provider, the Subscriber may elect to make a Group B claim (for the portion of
      the Adjusted Bill paid) and a Group C claim (for the portion of the Adjusted Bill not paid).

      It's that first paragraph that addresses what you're asking, I believe. Hope that helps–and certainly if you want more info on that, I'd suggest contacting the claims administrator.

  • Joe September 21, 2010 at 6:54 am

    I am now beginning to fill out the forms for filing Group B claims. If I paid provider the full amount of the bill (and not an adjusted amount) do I just check off the first box under Group B which says 'I am a subscriber and I wish to make a Group B claim' and should I not check off the box that says 'I received an Adjusted Bill from my Out of Network provider'.

    And when I fill out the Group B claim there's a column for Original Bill Amount and Allowed amount and then the next three columns are all for Adjusted Bill data (adjusted bill date, adjusted bill amount and paid portion of adjusted bill). If I paid the full amount (and did not get an adjusted bill) where do I fill out the amount I paid..which column.

    Thanks

    Joe

    • admin September 22, 2010 at 2:59 am

      Hi Joe, I'll try to answer your question as best as I can… If you paid your out of network provider in full, and the provider's bill had been submitted to UHC as a claim for processing (which I imagine it was as otherwise you wouldn't really have anything to submit), there should be an "Allowed Amount" somewhere on your Explanation of Benefits statement from UHC.
      Without knowing much more detail or having your statement(s) in front of me, if you paid in FULL, and there was never any adjustment or reimbursement made, and, as I said, the bill went through UHC, then it would appear that the amount allowed by UHC would be ZERO–as they apparently paid nothing and you paid in full. But regardless, if UHC processed the claim, the date upon which the claim was processed is the "adjusted bill date"; the "adjusted bill amount"–according to what I've just stated above–would be the amount you paid in full; and the "Paid Portion of Adjusted Bill" would be the amount you paid, which was the whole thing.

      If your bill did NOT go through UHC as a claim, there's nothing to submit; if it did go through UHC and they sent you an Explanation of Benefits (EOB) stating an "allowed amount" that they would cover, and also a net amount that you would then be responsible for, and yet you paid your provider the full amount, then it would appear that your provider still owes you some money–as either you or the provider should have received some benefits if UHC was accepting some of the charges as allowable.

      In terms of boxes to check off, if the only bills you have that you're submitting on this claim are those in which you paid the provider in full and you never saw an adjusted bill from your provider, then yes, you'd leave that second box empty.

      Keep in mind, I don't work for the claims administrator, so if you'd like to double-check any of this, you can always call Berdon claims at the number in the post above.

  • Eva S September 24, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    Hey! I am on page 26 of my claims I am submitting. My question is…did they change the end date of claims? Meaning, my initial mailing states 11/18/2009 and then I printed it off the website and it states 5/28/2010. Which is correct?

    Also, I too paid all of my doctors directly and submitted my claims to Oxford. Sadly, the difference between what I paid and what they paid was almost $200,000. I have MOST of my stuff, thank goodness for AmEx and my dad for keeping my EOB's – which, btw, you can still retrieve online. My family lost their home due to my medical condition and I am PRAYING I will recover at least a quarter of our losses, so I can give the money to my parents. Am I being completely unrealistic?? OH and the infor BerdonClaims sent me (which was provided by UHC) was totally useless. I called and they asked me if I had the revised list. After I told them I didn't, they said I should receive it around the end of September. Too bad the claim needs to be postmarked by 10/5. The lady at BerdonClaims told me if a request for info was made on an account, because UHC didn't provide all the information, I didn't have to worry about the 10/5 date…but, believe me, I am sending it WAY before. I also had to call up and get the NOT PO BOX address…as I have about 3 reams of paper to send…I almost want to drive it to Jericho…as opposed to spending $100 on postage. Seems ridiculous and I've read the other posts…I'm ill, but 35…I can not imagine doing this if I was ill and much older, nor doing this for a claimant who has passed. Complete and utter lack of compassion.

    Good luck to everyone and please post about the end date…oddly, it's 2010 that I don't have the physical info for…but, that's why I keep going back to the Oxford site.

  • Eva S September 27, 2010 at 11:01 am

    This just in…for those who paid their entire bill at first – here is how the form should be completed and what information is necessary for them to process your claim:
    Original Bill Amount is what the bill is and what you paid.
    Allowed Amount is what UHC (in my case, Oxford) paid me – which has the deductibles and copayments, etc removed already…the Paid Portion is the difference! I was told UHC will not provide ANY information and if they do, it is NOT submitted as support for a claim. Support MUST BE in the form of a RECEIPT or item line on a credit card or a cancelled check or item line on a bank statement. NO CLAIM will be processed without ALL the information required. EOB’s don’t matter without proof of payment. Also, ANY allowed amount item which is $0 will be thrown out. So, if (as in my case) I ran out of OON mental health benefits every year…I cannot claim that $48k, because Oxford paid NOTHING. Make sure that last column is the difference in what you paid and what you were reimbursed, with proof of each claim and you should be good to go. I am glad I finally got someone on the phone who made sense. I already put in over 60 hours on this…hopefully, changing the cover page for each 16 items wont take as long.
    AGAIN, remember, if there is NO proof of payment, the claim will NOT be processed. Only the judge and attorneys see our claim forms…UHC provides nothing and nothing they try and provide is admissible in court. Original bills with attached receipts are key here! EOB’s only help with proving the claim was processed…but, they will base the math on what we provide them.
    Good luck! OH and the claim date is still through November 18, 2009 – they are just supplying info through 5/2010 to make things more confusing.

    • Max September 28, 2010 at 6:53 pm

      I called today and here is what I was told:

      Adjusted Bill amount is the difference between the original bill amt and the adjusted bill amount. He told me that the amount that the insurance company reimbursed is irrelivant.

      Example:

      Original Bill Amount: $100

      Allowed Amount: $80

      UHC payed $40 out of $80.

      Method A (according to the guy I spoke to at Berdon:

      Adjusted Bill amount: $20 (Original minus Allowed)

      Paid portion of adjusted Bill: $20

      Method B (my opinion):

      Adjusted Bill amount: $60 (Original – reimbursed amt)

      Paid portion of adjusted Bill: $60

      • Max September 28, 2010 at 6:56 pm

        I meant to say "Adjusted Bill amount is the difference between the original bill amt and the **allowed** amount" (according to the rep at I spoke to at Berdon).

        • admin September 29, 2010 at 2:41 am

          Hi Max, Your second comment here is more accurate–yes, the Adjusted Bill Amount is the difference between what the provider initially charged, and the Allowed Amount by UHC–it's the amount that the provider is left charging you with.

        • Max October 3, 2010 at 5:53 pm

          I am confused in the terminology. If adjusted Bill amount is only a small portion of the bill, why is it called the "adjusted bill amount." I guess, I am missing something?

          If these are the amounts:

          Original Bill Amount: $100

          Allowed Amount: $80

          UHC payed $40 out of $80.

          You owe your provider $60, not $20, right?

          • admin October 4, 2010 at 9:45 am

            Hi Max, I completely agree–it is confusing! But to answer your question, no, with the numbers you've provided, you would owe your provider $40. The Adjusted Bill from your provider should reflect the difference between the Allowed Amount, and the amount that UHC paid. So in this case, UHC said the service had an allowed amount of $80; they paid $40; you would pay the difference to your provider, $40.

        • Max October 5, 2010 at 5:41 pm

          If your provider charges $100 for a service, the subscriber owes the $100 regardless of what UNC "thinks" it should cost. Anything over allowed amount comes out of my pocket.

          Insurance company pays $40 in this example. I can't just add my own $40 and pay $80 to the doctor. The bill is $100, so the service cost me $60 total. I think we have 2 different interpreations of allowed amount. If provider charges x amount, and allowed amount is y, provider still collects x at the end, right? They don't care what the allowed amount is AFAIK.

          Not trying to sound rude, just stressed with all of this…

          • admin October 6, 2010 at 3:24 am

            Hi Max–Ha! I hear your frustration! And, no, you're not being rude–trust me, I've been on the receiving end of a heck of a lot worse. Yes, you are right to a degree. Let me try to explain…
            If a provider charges $100, and UHC pays $40 and you then owe $60, then yes, all is fine and dandy for the provider as he will receive payments that total what he initially charged.
            The issue, however, is that the insurance company has set "reasonable and customary" (R&C) rates–based on a database that factors in things like type of service, cost basis for location in the US, etc–and those rates are what any payments will be based on. So, if the doctor charges you $100, that's fine. But in most instances, he will not see the full $100. Why? Because UHC may say that the R&C rate is $80. Then, your contract with UHC may say that UHC will pay Out of Network charges at 60/40 (I'm making this up)–so they would pay 60% of the $80 "allowed amount" fee, and you would be billed for the remaining 40%. So, the net of that looks like this:
            Doctor's initial Fee: $100
            UHC R&C (allowed amount): $80
            UHC pays out 60%: $48
            You pay remainder: $32
            Doctor screwed out of $20 (difference between original billed amount and what R&C is)
            Now, I say "screwed" to drive home the point that the doctor does not get what he initially charged. But that's how this works. Hope it helps!

  • George M September 28, 2010 at 9:18 am

    Thanks for the info. I was told something different from the claims person at Berdon.

    I was told the last column (for a Class B claim) is to be the total amount we paid including all deductibles and coinsurance.

    For example, if the bill was for $175 and you paid $175 but the allowed amount was $160 and that $160 went against the deductible then the paid portion on the claim for is $160.

    I must say that it took several calls to get someone to explain it.

    The whole process has been quite confusing.

  • shreyl d September 30, 2010 at 2:38 pm

    I have a bill of 26,000 for my daughter’s surgery in 2008. United healthcare paid 1500.00 (for a four hour pediatric neurosurgery) I exhausted all appeals. The doctor’s office have never bothered me about the balance becuase they knew I was fighting it. My question is, according to Group D filing- if the doctors sent the claim to collection or a payment plan was arranged, they can recieve 90% reimbursement (highest). Should I make a payment plan arrangement now to allow the most reimbursement.

    As an aside, this bill was not included in the printout, only 4 of 27 for the entire year.
    Thanks for all the great clarifications,

    • admin October 1, 2010 at 5:03 am

      Hi shreyl, While I can't fully answer your question, I can tell you that in order to file a Group D claim, your Provider–not you–needs to submit as a Group D. Only providers can submit a Group D claim. So your best bet would perhaps be to contact your provider's billing department to try to work out what's in your best interest–note, I said YOUR best interest. Also, as I'm sure you're aware, the deadline for submitting your claim is looming (Oct 5)….and we're going into a weekend, so the sooner you have the discussion, the better… More importantly, it sounds like your daughter has been through a fair amount and I truly hope she is now doing well.

  • Jolene September 30, 2010 at 11:12 pm

    So, all is said and done. I filed my paperwork, now what?

    • admin October 5, 2010 at 12:28 pm

      Hi Jolene, Sending it in! (and hopefully you've done that by now…)

  • joe October 1, 2010 at 10:00 am

    I am filing a group B claim..ie..I paid providers 100% of total original billed amount. So for example:

    If my provider sent me a bill of $1,000 and I paid the provider $1,000. UHC allowed $800 and paid me $700 (ie took out a $100 deductible). I believe I should filling out form as follows:

    Original Amount billed $1,000

    Amount Allowed $ 800

    Ajusted Bill Amount $ 200

    Paid Portion of Adjusted Bill $200

    First question…on the group B form there are two check boxes…the first is obvious..'I'm a provider and I wish to make a group b claim'..I checked that box.

    The second box is a little confusing…it says 'I received an Adjusted Bill from my Out of Network Provider.'

    So even though I filled out adjusted bill amount of $200 on the form I don't think I should be checking the second box..ie My provider obnly sent me a bill for the total amount..not an adjusted bill..correct?

    Also, when the form asks for proof of payment…although my form says paid portion of adjusted bill is $200…what I really need to show is proof of my original payment of $1,000 (since I paid provider the full amount).

    Very Confused on the concept of adjusted bill..when I've paid total amount to provider.

    Thanks in advance…

    Joe

    • admin October 3, 2010 at 7:30 am

      Hi Joe, Based on what you've outlined, I think you're on the right path–except I believe that your Adjusted Bill Amount and your Paid Portion of Adjusted Bill amount should be $300, not $200. Reason being, if you read the instructions on page 5 on the Notice of Proposed Settlement (ie, the claim form you were sent) under "Group B – Out of Pocket Subscriber Claimants", when your claim is processed, 20% will be subtracted from your "recognized loss" amount to account for co-payments and deductibles–meaning, you don't want to deduct the allowance for your deductible twice–once from what appeared on your explanation of benefits (EOB) and then again now when your claim is processed. And yes, any proof of payment you have, along with your EOB is what you should make copies of and send in along with your claim. I'd definitely suggest calling the claims administrator's 800# though just to make sure about what I've said above–it is trickier when you were "reimbursed" by UHC, vs. receiving an adjusted bill from your provider after your initial bill has already gone through UHC's assessment of what it will allow.

      • Max October 3, 2010 at 6:07 pm

        So you are always adding the 20% back to each adjusted bill amount?

        • admin October 4, 2010 at 9:49 am

          Hi Max, No–that comment was only relative to the example that the other reader was talking about. You would enter the amounts you paid–as any amount you paid–the amount of money you shelled out–would include any co-payments and/or deductibles already. As part of the terms of the settlement, when everyone's claims are processed, 20% will be taken out as an adjustment for co-pays and/or deductibles as you would've had to pay those anyway per the terms of your insurance contract. (ie, regardless of whether UHC had an incorrect "reasonable and customary" amount listed as the "allowed amount", if your insurance agreement states that you have a flat $25 co-pay, then you'd pay that no matter what the Allowed Amount would have been…)

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